skv
09-25 11:56 AM
I did not mean what you imply. Yes it can happen to any law firm. I was expressing the pain I experienced as per the topic of the first post. I am glad it worked out for you and wish no one ill will.
I understand it and feel sorry for you my friend! Good luck, next time! Hope you will have a good experience with any of the law firm who choose to work with, going forward :-)
I understand it and feel sorry for you my friend! Good luck, next time! Hope you will have a good experience with any of the law firm who choose to work with, going forward :-)
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marblerock
06-26 02:09 PM
Bush has done his arm twisting....this time the bill will pass....we r in for a long haul...get ready for another wild ride..
Please follow IV action items thru out.
http://www.time.com/time/cartoonsoftheweek/0,29489,1633869,00.html
:)
Please follow IV action items thru out.
http://www.time.com/time/cartoonsoftheweek/0,29489,1633869,00.html
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piyu7444
03-20 10:04 PM
I was also under the same assumption. But I came to know that you can work for more than one sponsoring employer at a time.
Thanks snathan !
*Last post for this thread. I am done with it. OP got his answer and that was the aim. Cant be here endlessly. :)
Thanks snathan !
*Last post for this thread. I am done with it. OP got his answer and that was the aim. Cant be here endlessly. :)
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Abhinaym
01-14 03:14 PM
you are half right, the country quota laws were put much earlier than the off shoring companies, but remember that the retrogression only started in the last 10 years when those companies came in the picture and skewed the lines .. that's ur cause and effect!
I am in software and would be satisfied with resticting this rule to the software field, but feasibility wise, rules won't get micro-tailored this way.
I always tell myself i shouldn't go on with the discussion, but here i go again..
any 12 step process to quit?
So what? Just because they came and skewed the lines doesn't mean you can choose where you're born or when. the rule is unfair wihtout any reason. there is no graceful solution short of removing the quotas. anyway I doubt fairness is the reason you're so fond of this quota.
Here's a one step way to quit.
1. Accept that the reason you're defending this useless rule is that it benefits you.
I am in software and would be satisfied with resticting this rule to the software field, but feasibility wise, rules won't get micro-tailored this way.
I always tell myself i shouldn't go on with the discussion, but here i go again..
any 12 step process to quit?
So what? Just because they came and skewed the lines doesn't mean you can choose where you're born or when. the rule is unfair wihtout any reason. there is no graceful solution short of removing the quotas. anyway I doubt fairness is the reason you're so fond of this quota.
Here's a one step way to quit.
1. Accept that the reason you're defending this useless rule is that it benefits you.
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coopheal
05-21 11:54 AM
Please contribute for your own benefits.
easygoer
07-14 05:08 PM
Hi mheggde,
You gave very good answer we were searching since morning. Thanks
You gave very good answer we were searching since morning. Thanks
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waitingGC
02-13 09:32 AM
Do go here and post some hard hitting arguements to shut up Kim Berry
http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=17cb1f0c5e2ee248a71bd 31df832fcaa
write to rccruz@newamericamedia.org as well
Pappu, I sent the article to my cousin in China, asking him to publish his story. Please read his reply. He graduated from University of Chicago and went back to China two years after working in US.
"This is another sad story about skilled immigrant.
I want to talk about this issue from my perspective.
I got my M.B.A in a prestigious US university and worked as a Financial Analyst in US for two years. I was thinking of applying for GC at that time because I had planned to stay in US. But, that winter, when I took a vacation in China, I decided to look for a job in China because I was very impressed by the economic development in China and wanted to capitalize on the opportunity. The Chinese market was/is in urgent demand for US-trained financial analyst. After some interviews, I got a very generous offer from a multinational company and quitted my job in US without any hesitation.
Now five years has passed. Because of my excellent performance, I get two promotions in the past five years and am a director in my company. My boss, who is an american, lost his job and has to go back to US because my company cannot see any fiancial advantage to hire him anymore. I have never been happier. I believe that I made a very good choice five years ago. Most of my chinese classmates during MBA study are still struggling for their GCs and get stuck in their career development because of GCs. They are quite regret that they did not come back to China back 5 years.
So what I want say is that, US is not a very good place to stay anymore. There are many golden opportunities in your own country! Many countries are becoming stronger and stronger. It's not 10 or 20 years ago. 10 or 20 years ago, US is the best place in the world to stay. But now, it's different. My friends in US make about $150k a year and cannot afford a luxury lifestyle. I make $100k a year and enjoy a very comfortable life in China. I built my own house in China, which is even better than my house in New Jersey before. I hired my own chauffeur, housekeeper, two nannies for my baby... I cannot afford these thing if I were still in US. How many americans can afford the same lifestyle as mine? I don't think there are many.
My point is, be open to opportunities in your own countries or other countries in the world other than US. You will be happy to leave US several years later when you look back. Besides, if more and more US-trained scientists and professionals come back to their own countries and help their countries to develop, maybe in another 10 or 20 years, no one would want GC anymore."
http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=17cb1f0c5e2ee248a71bd 31df832fcaa
write to rccruz@newamericamedia.org as well
Pappu, I sent the article to my cousin in China, asking him to publish his story. Please read his reply. He graduated from University of Chicago and went back to China two years after working in US.
"This is another sad story about skilled immigrant.
I want to talk about this issue from my perspective.
I got my M.B.A in a prestigious US university and worked as a Financial Analyst in US for two years. I was thinking of applying for GC at that time because I had planned to stay in US. But, that winter, when I took a vacation in China, I decided to look for a job in China because I was very impressed by the economic development in China and wanted to capitalize on the opportunity. The Chinese market was/is in urgent demand for US-trained financial analyst. After some interviews, I got a very generous offer from a multinational company and quitted my job in US without any hesitation.
Now five years has passed. Because of my excellent performance, I get two promotions in the past five years and am a director in my company. My boss, who is an american, lost his job and has to go back to US because my company cannot see any fiancial advantage to hire him anymore. I have never been happier. I believe that I made a very good choice five years ago. Most of my chinese classmates during MBA study are still struggling for their GCs and get stuck in their career development because of GCs. They are quite regret that they did not come back to China back 5 years.
So what I want say is that, US is not a very good place to stay anymore. There are many golden opportunities in your own country! Many countries are becoming stronger and stronger. It's not 10 or 20 years ago. 10 or 20 years ago, US is the best place in the world to stay. But now, it's different. My friends in US make about $150k a year and cannot afford a luxury lifestyle. I make $100k a year and enjoy a very comfortable life in China. I built my own house in China, which is even better than my house in New Jersey before. I hired my own chauffeur, housekeeper, two nannies for my baby... I cannot afford these thing if I were still in US. How many americans can afford the same lifestyle as mine? I don't think there are many.
My point is, be open to opportunities in your own countries or other countries in the world other than US. You will be happy to leave US several years later when you look back. Besides, if more and more US-trained scientists and professionals come back to their own countries and help their countries to develop, maybe in another 10 or 20 years, no one would want GC anymore."
2010 life this Mother#39;s Day,
amitjoey
05-24 01:07 PM
Sent emails to media using the tool. It was quick, I'm sure if many of us do it, it will be effective too.
Awesome !!!..Such an easy way to send email....Good Job IV, !!!...
Now is the time to create awareness and momentum leading upto the advocacy event. Please keep emailing and sending letters, this will work in our favour. Please continue asking friends and family to support.
It is quick and easy.
Awesome !!!..Such an easy way to send email....Good Job IV, !!!...
Now is the time to create awareness and momentum leading upto the advocacy event. Please keep emailing and sending letters, this will work in our favour. Please continue asking friends and family to support.
It is quick and easy.
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rajuram
06-09 12:52 AM
It is very easy to write but difficult to do. Except for IV folks there are hardly any fighters out there for our cause. We have all seen the result....CIR that favors ill-legals but decreases visa numbers for the EB cases.
You may also say ... In this country, no one gives it to you. You have to fight for it. :rolleyes:
You may also say ... In this country, no one gives it to you. You have to fight for it. :rolleyes:
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PresidentO
02-15 04:01 PM
Now it's clear. You don't want people to drag you down, even when they have had gone through everything, Labor, I-140, been in the country for 10 years, etc. -- I thought you had a noble cause from the older posts, but apparently I was wrong.
This also started getting ridiculous. In my own post, and agreed by almost everyone else, I specially said to put on restrictions to those who can file AOS, e.g. with I-1140 approved, or with a PD older than a certain number of years. Where did you get the impression that every H1 can arrive this country and be on EAD in six months? Why did I found that the extreme generalization and scare tactic employed by you has an alarming resemblance to those from Lou Dobbs and Grassley?
And to answer your last question, even with a PD of 2007, I've been in the US for ten years, but could not file green card due to company bankruptcy, layoff, etc. and I am 90% certain you've been here shorter than I am. Then should give up your EAD till everyone who stays here longer than you does?
Jchan,
I am with you on the ludacris comparison brought by hydboy77. He keeps calling the EB3-EB2 porting line cutters as if these guys were paying 10,000 USD to buy substitute labors. Those Eb-3 folks have stood in line just like him, you and me and have an employer who values their contributions and has a position that has EB-2 requirements he can hire this EB-3 guy. Rather than thinking about the problem at its root, he keeps attacking people who port their PD and calls them line cutters. Bottome line: He has EB2 PD and worries that he will be screwed worse. While it is good to worry about the problem, it worries me when that worry comes at the expens of other's good. Jeez! we dont need anti's. We get dragged down by your own. Probably he does not know what USC code 1571 section 8 says even before AC21 came into picture. Congressional intent was to get a GC for every one with in 6 months. Infact he does not want every one to get EAD because he is scared. Doesn't a legislation that takes out the similar/same after 6 months and gets every one on to EAD is the best one as people will be able to demand what ever they want and put the kabosh on Grassley who keeps bitching that H1B's are paid peanuts?
I do not intend to take shots at any one but this discusssion of dont do this because Grassley will do this/that is nothing but shitting in our pants and telling Grassley to become draconian. If you cant stand the heat in the kitchen, get out. Now dont tell me that the house is under fire and If I dont get out, I will burn. To hell with that counter.
As far as your pre application post is concerned, desi3933 is right on money. Janet,IMO, has used wrong words or meant some thing else and use pre application. With out, legislative/executive change USCIS/DHS/Janet just cannot do that.
His whole argument about the 06 guys getting GC ahead of 03/04 guys is entirely different. DOS had no other way to handle the inefficient USCIS other than forwarding dates ahead. I dont know whether he would have been happy, if DOS did not move dates and neither 04 guys and 06 guys got their GC, 20,000 visa numbers were wasted. I for one have a 02 PD and am happy for those who got out of the hell hole, regardless of their PD and at the same time I will keep pushing for USCIS to get better. I am actually seeing this effect in DOS VB this year. DOS is getting better at the game and moving the dates slowly and this summer EB-2 I/C will not go beyond Jun/Jul 05.
This also started getting ridiculous. In my own post, and agreed by almost everyone else, I specially said to put on restrictions to those who can file AOS, e.g. with I-1140 approved, or with a PD older than a certain number of years. Where did you get the impression that every H1 can arrive this country and be on EAD in six months? Why did I found that the extreme generalization and scare tactic employed by you has an alarming resemblance to those from Lou Dobbs and Grassley?
And to answer your last question, even with a PD of 2007, I've been in the US for ten years, but could not file green card due to company bankruptcy, layoff, etc. and I am 90% certain you've been here shorter than I am. Then should give up your EAD till everyone who stays here longer than you does?
Jchan,
I am with you on the ludacris comparison brought by hydboy77. He keeps calling the EB3-EB2 porting line cutters as if these guys were paying 10,000 USD to buy substitute labors. Those Eb-3 folks have stood in line just like him, you and me and have an employer who values their contributions and has a position that has EB-2 requirements he can hire this EB-3 guy. Rather than thinking about the problem at its root, he keeps attacking people who port their PD and calls them line cutters. Bottome line: He has EB2 PD and worries that he will be screwed worse. While it is good to worry about the problem, it worries me when that worry comes at the expens of other's good. Jeez! we dont need anti's. We get dragged down by your own. Probably he does not know what USC code 1571 section 8 says even before AC21 came into picture. Congressional intent was to get a GC for every one with in 6 months. Infact he does not want every one to get EAD because he is scared. Doesn't a legislation that takes out the similar/same after 6 months and gets every one on to EAD is the best one as people will be able to demand what ever they want and put the kabosh on Grassley who keeps bitching that H1B's are paid peanuts?
I do not intend to take shots at any one but this discusssion of dont do this because Grassley will do this/that is nothing but shitting in our pants and telling Grassley to become draconian. If you cant stand the heat in the kitchen, get out. Now dont tell me that the house is under fire and If I dont get out, I will burn. To hell with that counter.
As far as your pre application post is concerned, desi3933 is right on money. Janet,IMO, has used wrong words or meant some thing else and use pre application. With out, legislative/executive change USCIS/DHS/Janet just cannot do that.
His whole argument about the 06 guys getting GC ahead of 03/04 guys is entirely different. DOS had no other way to handle the inefficient USCIS other than forwarding dates ahead. I dont know whether he would have been happy, if DOS did not move dates and neither 04 guys and 06 guys got their GC, 20,000 visa numbers were wasted. I for one have a 02 PD and am happy for those who got out of the hell hole, regardless of their PD and at the same time I will keep pushing for USCIS to get better. I am actually seeing this effect in DOS VB this year. DOS is getting better at the game and moving the dates slowly and this summer EB-2 I/C will not go beyond Jun/Jul 05.
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prashantkh
07-03 04:16 PM
Well thats our fate .. we are always forced to piggyback on a larger issue. With CIR it was illegal immigration, now it is H1-B. But you got to understand that if not for corporate lobbying (who have a heavier stake in H1-Bs) this bill would not have seen the light of day, that too in the house. We got to be thankful we are at least not being treated on par with the illegal aliens .. the broad theme of this bill is highly related to skilled immigration, which is much less controversial than granting citizenship to illegals; not withstanding the tancredos and numbersUSAs who will still be yelling doomsday from the rooftops. Granted we are flying under the radar as usual, but I very much doubt this will be an H1-B only bill without any EB relief.
I agree, lacking enough "pull" either monetarily or numerically puts us at a disadvantage. However, I just read this post from indianindian2006
http://aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=19879
It clearly says that there are provisions to address issues for permanent residency. Two that interests me and most others are:
1) Exemptions for U.S. educated foreign workers with master's or higher degrees from the H-1B and EB green card quotas so their talent can be retained in the United States.
2) Exemptions for EB green card immigrant spouses and children from the annual cap, thus making more visas available for the innovative professionals we need.
So hopefully all is not over yet :) ....
PK
I agree, lacking enough "pull" either monetarily or numerically puts us at a disadvantage. However, I just read this post from indianindian2006
http://aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=19879
It clearly says that there are provisions to address issues for permanent residency. Two that interests me and most others are:
1) Exemptions for U.S. educated foreign workers with master's or higher degrees from the H-1B and EB green card quotas so their talent can be retained in the United States.
2) Exemptions for EB green card immigrant spouses and children from the annual cap, thus making more visas available for the innovative professionals we need.
So hopefully all is not over yet :) ....
PK
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singhsa3
07-17 09:54 PM
Welcome back!, your are a part of the team
Hi all, this is the new ID of bigtime007. As many has noticed, I was banned for the following reason:
You have been banned for the following reason:
Disruptive posts
Date the ban will be lifted: Never
After thinking about it, I feel very very sorry for disrupting the cheerful atmosphere on this forum. It is time for champagne, not complaints. This should be a place to congratulate and applaud IV's achievements, instead of that to express one's own frustrations. People with 07 PD has the privilege to cheer when they cut in front of us, but we should not feel sad for being pushed back because it is a disruptive behavior.
Please do not list what you have done to add items in the legislation to help BEC victims, it does not look genuine any more when it is considered disruptive to express one's depression on a board specially for BEC victims.
This will be my last post, as I am sure they will ban both my ID and IP. For everyone who still reads my post, Good luck!
Hi all, this is the new ID of bigtime007. As many has noticed, I was banned for the following reason:
You have been banned for the following reason:
Disruptive posts
Date the ban will be lifted: Never
After thinking about it, I feel very very sorry for disrupting the cheerful atmosphere on this forum. It is time for champagne, not complaints. This should be a place to congratulate and applaud IV's achievements, instead of that to express one's own frustrations. People with 07 PD has the privilege to cheer when they cut in front of us, but we should not feel sad for being pushed back because it is a disruptive behavior.
Please do not list what you have done to add items in the legislation to help BEC victims, it does not look genuine any more when it is considered disruptive to express one's depression on a board specially for BEC victims.
This will be my last post, as I am sure they will ban both my ID and IP. For everyone who still reads my post, Good luck!
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mundada
01-12 05:06 PM
Guys while thinking more about this... why not approach EEOC and it will be cheaper. The commission was created to protect employee's rights.
Someone with EB2 from 2004 or EB3 from 2001 should be able to convince EEOC that he was forced to have same or similar jobs for a long time because of long wait for green card while at the same time people from other countries did not have any such hinderances in their career advancement. Therefore, the country quota in employment based green card category leads to discrimation at work.
Here are the contact details of EEOC:
Contact Us (http://www.eeoc.gov/contact/index.cfm)
Someone with EB2 from 2004 or EB3 from 2001 should be able to convince EEOC that he was forced to have same or similar jobs for a long time because of long wait for green card while at the same time people from other countries did not have any such hinderances in their career advancement. Therefore, the country quota in employment based green card category leads to discrimation at work.
Here are the contact details of EEOC:
Contact Us (http://www.eeoc.gov/contact/index.cfm)
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desi3933
03-20 10:13 PM
Dude, I have to tell you the same, do not give misleading information. you need to have a full time position for H1B. there is a minimum number of hours per week that you specify on your Labor condition. 2 part time doesn't cut it. As I have mentioned before, you may have multiple sponsors but one of the sponsors should be primary and you work full time with him or the minimum number of hours per week as per LC. other one could be part time. But there needs to be 2 separate independent I-129's filed by both employers for you to do this.
>> you need to have a full time position for H1B.
Incorrect. H-1B can be filed for part time position. Refer form I-129.
>> you may have multiple sponsors but one of the sponsors should be primary and you work full time with him
Incorrect again. There is no requirement to work full time with one of the Employers. Hours are determined by job offer and hence mentioned in LCA. But hours could be 12 hours for both Employer A as well as B.
Again, there is no requirement that one of the job must be full time.
_______________________
Not a legal advice.
US citizen of Indian origin
>> you need to have a full time position for H1B.
Incorrect. H-1B can be filed for part time position. Refer form I-129.
>> you may have multiple sponsors but one of the sponsors should be primary and you work full time with him
Incorrect again. There is no requirement to work full time with one of the Employers. Hours are determined by job offer and hence mentioned in LCA. But hours could be 12 hours for both Employer A as well as B.
Again, there is no requirement that one of the job must be full time.
_______________________
Not a legal advice.
US citizen of Indian origin
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shukla77
06-24 10:19 AM
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Jaime
09-21 11:38 PM
That is a very good idea!
I like this and rallies at state capitals, because it would be easy for everyone to attend in their home states, but there might be small numbers in many cities that would not bring much attention
I also like letters, flowers, etc in mass
And also, how about:
The broken system is causing a reverse brain rain, right? Well How about we:
1- Each one of us buys 10 bath tub stoppers (you know, the stoppers you use when taking a bath, to stop the water gig down the drain) and mail them to Congress, Media, USCIS, etc- With a letter "Please stop the self-inflicted U.S. Reverse Brain Drain, already 100,000 highly-skilled have left, stop the 10-year green card delays for LEGAL highly-skilled immigrants"
2-At the same time, we ALL send WHITE roses to Congress (Roses are now IV's trademark, we are known for them and the peace they mean, and roses should probably be on IV's logo too) Attach same note
THAT will send a strong message!!! (trust me)
I like this and rallies at state capitals, because it would be easy for everyone to attend in their home states, but there might be small numbers in many cities that would not bring much attention
I also like letters, flowers, etc in mass
And also, how about:
The broken system is causing a reverse brain rain, right? Well How about we:
1- Each one of us buys 10 bath tub stoppers (you know, the stoppers you use when taking a bath, to stop the water gig down the drain) and mail them to Congress, Media, USCIS, etc- With a letter "Please stop the self-inflicted U.S. Reverse Brain Drain, already 100,000 highly-skilled have left, stop the 10-year green card delays for LEGAL highly-skilled immigrants"
2-At the same time, we ALL send WHITE roses to Congress (Roses are now IV's trademark, we are known for them and the peace they mean, and roses should probably be on IV's logo too) Attach same note
THAT will send a strong message!!! (trust me)
girlfriend happy mother day flowers.
franklin
09-27 01:02 AM
I think it is important to maintain diversity in the overall immigration. However the immigration law has never resulted in achieving diversity. In the period 1900-1910, immigrants came from Italy (22%), Austria (20%) and Russia (18%). In the 1950-1960 period Germany provided 20% of immigrants. In the 1991-2000 period Mexico provided almost 22% of immigrants. In the FY 2005, Mexico provided around 161,000 immigrants (around 17%) of immigrants. It is easy to fix a quota for those immigration categories where visa numbers are limited such as for employment. However spouses and minor children of naturalized citizens have no waiting period. So it will be very hard to control the immigration percentages based on country of origin unless there is a quota for US citizen spouses, and children of US citizens wantin to immigrate!
The problem here is that we don't have a country quota for foreign students and H1Bs. Thus when these people try to become permanent residents then the quota's are applied and that is the core problem. My take is that country quota should not be applied for employment based immigration. Employers should not be forced in to an affirmative action plan but rather hire the right person for the job.
Source for my above data, if you like to do some weekend reading:
http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/92948.pdf
Sorry - I can't currently access the report you quote your oringinal figures from at the beginning of your quote. Are these numbers of total immigration, or immigration in the highly skilled category?
The problem here is that we don't have a country quota for foreign students and H1Bs. Thus when these people try to become permanent residents then the quota's are applied and that is the core problem. My take is that country quota should not be applied for employment based immigration. Employers should not be forced in to an affirmative action plan but rather hire the right person for the job.
Source for my above data, if you like to do some weekend reading:
http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/92948.pdf
Sorry - I can't currently access the report you quote your oringinal figures from at the beginning of your quote. Are these numbers of total immigration, or immigration in the highly skilled category?
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kondur_007
05-17 09:30 PM
Done!
Extremely happy to see this on IV. Finally we goT the "VOICE".....ONE VOICE....
Extremely happy to see this on IV. Finally we goT the "VOICE".....ONE VOICE....
dannyypk
07-17 07:56 PM
I am EB-3 ROW PD 2007 Aug. Reading all the Eb-3 I people's angry, I started to wonder what's gonna happen to the EB-3 ROW. Seems like if lots of Eb3-I change to EB2-I , They will probably eat up all the Spillover from Eb1, EB2 ROW from now on. That makes EB-3 ROW and EB-3 I become the same boat.
Is it what gonna happened? and think about how many people can afford to spend an extra 10k to change the status from EB-3 to EB-2? That's totally not fair. We need to take action all EB-3 ers!!!!!!
Is it what gonna happened? and think about how many people can afford to spend an extra 10k to change the status from EB-3 to EB-2? That's totally not fair. We need to take action all EB-3 ers!!!!!!
chanduv23
10-09 10:34 AM
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